*This article is a review of Terminator: Dark Fate based on the opinion of the author
Cast:
Linda Hamilton – Sarah Connor
Arnold Schwarzenegger – T-800 Carl
Mackenzie Davis – Grace
Natalia Reyes – Dani Ramos
Gabriel Luna – REV-9
Diego Boneta – Diego Ramos
Stephanie Gil – Young Grace
Enrique Arce – Papa Ramos
Brett Azar – Young T-800
Jude Collie – Young John Connor
Tristan Ulloa – Uncle Ramos
Alicia Borrachero – Alicia
Fraser James – Major Dean
Tom Hopper – Hadrell
Synopsis:
“More than two decades have passed since Sarah Connor prevented Judgment Day, changed the future, and re-wrote the fate of the human race. Dani Ramos (Natalia Reyes) is living a simple life in Mexico City with her brother (Diego Boneta) and father when a highly advanced and deadly new Terminator – a Rev-9 (Gabriel Luna) – travels back through time to hunt and kill her. Dani’s survival depends on her joining forces with two warriors: Grace (Mackenzie Davis), an enhanced super-soldier from the future, and a battle-hardened Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton). As the Rev-9 ruthlessly destroys everything and everyone in its path on the hunt for Dani, the three are led to a T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger) from Sarah’s past that may be their last best hope.”
Director:
Tim Miller.
Producers:
James Cameron.
David Ellison.
Writers:
James Cameron – (story by) &
Charles H. Eglee – (story by) &
Josh Friedman – (story by) and
David S. Goyer – (story by) &
Justin Rhodes – (story by)
David S. Goyer – (screenplay by) &
Justin Rhodes – (screenplay by) and
Billy Ray – (screenplay by)
Extra Credit for Character Creation:
James Cameron – (based on characters created by) and
Gale Anne Hurd – (based on characters created by)
Music:
Junkie XL
Age Classification:
R (U.S) / 15 (UK)
Runtime:
128 Minutes.
Review:
Terminator: Dark Fate was announced as being the true sequel to Terminator 2: Judgment Day and a continuation of the Terminator franchise, which started with The Terminator in 1984.
Directed by Tim Miller, whose feature-film directing debut came with 2016’s ‘Deadpool’, and written by James Cameron (The Terminator, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Avatar), Charles H. Eglee (Piranha II, Dark Angel, Dexter), Josh Friedman (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, The Black Dahlia, War of the Worlds), David S. Goyer (the Blade trilogy, the Dark Knight trilogy, Man of Steel), Justin Rhodes (Robocop Returns – Pre-prod), Billy Ray (Captain Phillips, The Hunger Games, Gemini Man), and David Ellison (Uncredited for story)
The latest instalment in the beloved Terminator franchise made grand statements in its inception – of returning to the roots of the series and recapturing the grim and gritty realism that fans, old and young, had been yearning for for a long time; it promised to remind the fanbase that there was still life in the old dog yet – and not just life – a future.
With the return of Terminator legends; James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton to the franchise which made them all iconic household names, there was a sense of hope restored to loyal fans of a series which had been dealt some dud hands over the decades since 1991’s T2.
I picked a theatre which appeared to have very few seats booked for the screening, this suited me fine, as I like to absorb as much of the story as possible with as few distractions as possible, and, as I sat down to watch the sixth (touted 3rd) entry into the franchise, I admit, I felt a creeping sense of trepidation.
The movie begins with a clip of one of Sarah Connor’s Terminator 2 Pescadero interview tapes, the footage clearly aiming at creating a sense of nostalgia whilst also acting, somewhat, as a kind of visual exposition – though I found it jarring and underwhelming, as it lacks the visceral punch of the same clip in-situ with T2.
In that purposely created sense of deja vu (which was engendered with the use of the T2 clip) and the consistent recreation of moments which were, and still are, integral to the franchise as a whole, ie, the mirroring of certain scenes and lines (including the sampling of Brad Fiedel’s music/using a sound from a scene in T2) – came a feeling of distaste at the strategically planned nostalgia trip and a burgeoning tension at what was to come.
The beginning of the movie manages to feel disjointed as it attempts to shock the audience with a scene that distorts the mythos of the franchise and lays waste to any meaning or goodwill that the first two movies painstakingly built up. It is a scene which leaves a sense of complete futility at the sheer pointlessness of everything which is to follow, whether good, bad or indifferent.
The dialogue mostly clunks its way along, finding new and awkward ways to stick in the wrong places, whilst the actors strive to humanise the dated writing with performances which, sadly, display a lack of conviction, despite valiant attempts to imbue one dimensional character development with depth.
There is a repetition to the story which drags through almost every scene, yes, we get it, Dani Ramos (Natalia Reyes) is just a “no-one” factory girl, and yet she seems to get many things right in the first few attempts – she’s a natural at driving but she can’t drive, she’s a natural at shooting, though she can’t shoot…
The same can be said of Grace (Mackenzie Davis); Grace seems to threaten her way through many of her scenes, mostly aimed at Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) “I will fuck you up” or “I could tear your throat out” etc (no-one talks to Sarah Connor that way!), as if, by the magic of monotony, the audience will find some semblance of something worth remembering.
The character with the most backstory is Grace and this is given to us via flashbacks to an overdone future war (where we get a glimpse of the talented Stephanie Gil), and then the ‘Augment’ programme. Though Augmented super-soldier Grace has clearly been on an extended ego-trip since becoming one with biotechnology, and this is yet another recurring aspect – the constant need for Grace to assert her dominant superiority over, well, everyone.
Sadly though, the almost constant need to repeat lines, or variants thereof, simply gets in the way of the performances and dulls any potential the story does have.
Linda Hamilton’s Sarah Connor is the centre of the movie, and although the writing restricts what should have been a truly astonishing return for the iconic mother-of-the-future, she is still somehow able to be the most reliable component in a flawed story.
How does the villainous REV-9 compare to its predecessors? Gabriel Luna is charismatic but barely used, as his screen time is mostly absorbed by the CGI rubber face of a bad Spider-Man movie, bouncing an uncanny torso over and under anything and everything the special effects team could manage, all at the behest of Tim Miller.
The REV-9 doesn’t seem to be a very clever or particularly threatening design of Terminator model, and it simply can’t outshine Robert Patrick’s T-1000, as it appears rather frail and easily immobilised whether united or in its autonomous state. It really is a shame.
You get the impression that with a better script and better director, that the cast would have been able to make a decent Terminator movie – one with a much lower budget and less CGI. Practical effects, anyone?
… and, since I’m on the subject of special effects…
The CGI breaks immersion at almost every opportunity, with few exceptions, faces slip and look doughy, bodies fly all over the shop – as if gravity doesn’t exist, and darkness appears to be utilised to hide any possible imperfections – though, in a movie so CGI-heavy, this makes for some instances of feeling almost night-blind simply by attempting to follow the action.
There are instances of potential, yes, down to the actors (I’m looking at you Linda Hamilton and Natalia Reyes) really digging in and giving the tired script and poor character development some serious oomph in order to get things feeling more like a real movie and not just some straight to VHS jobbie that no-one has seen.
Even Arnold Schwarzenegger’s T-800 is drowned out by bad writing (though Arnold did admit to ad-libbing certain lines himself); I found the character of ‘Carl’ to be completely joyless, despite the attempt at humour from Schwarzenegger – if Carl were to have a catchphrase in Terminator: Dark Fate it would be “Alicia”, again the script repeats lines for no discernible reason, unless the reasoning is that repetition can be humorous in some instances. This was not one of those instances, at least not for me.
There are moments in the movie that clearly imitate previous instalments, or homage them – as an example (aside from the more obvious), a plane falls from the sky in a scene which is reminiscent of one omitted from Terminator 3: ROTM, due to the fact that the film was released in the wake of 9/11 and the studios had to work around the socio-political ramifications of the terrorist act.
Also there is a scene involving the REV-9 which leans heavily on Terminator 2: Judgment Day nostalgia, again – “but it’s a sequel to T2! It’s allowed!” Why homage a movie that you’re making a sequel to?
Then there is Dani Ramos uttering a bastardisation of a line immortalised by Linda Hamilton’s Sarah Connor in The Terminator (1984), we won’t tell you which line it is but it fails to meet the bar set in the original and doesn’t quite hit the mark in terms of emotionality.
Now we get to the score and music of Terminator: Dark Fate, as composed by Tom Holkenborg AKA Junkie XL…
The music and its themes were highly anticipated by many fans (especially in regards to the previously published false information of Brad Fiedel returning to compose the score, which was edited onto IMDb by some unknown person). There were moments, musically, in T:DF that had me wondering what I was watching, as they were so commonplace and run-of-the-mill that it could have been any movie.
This was not what I was expecting from a composer who went all out for the score of Mad Max: Fury Road. The score for Terminator: Dark Fate barely seems to move, its peaks and troughs blending seamlessly together to create an almost indistinct and rather flat sound.
The REV-9’s theme was a cumbersome track of scraping, clanging and wheezing – which is easily comparable to an asthma attack in a cutlery drawer.
Summary:
The story and characters are thinly written and slapdash; as an audience we are not given real explanations as to why specific aspects are as they are, or why we’re supposed to care about the new characters when the writers clearly don’t.
The Terminator (1984) and Terminator 2: Judgment Day were imaginative and pushed boundaries but they were also incredibly intimate movies; they kept the cast tight, the plot clean and allowed us to bond and invest in the characters on-screen. They had big moments but those big moments didn’t feel like a bombardment – they felt like a natural progression, they didn’t feel forced. Yes, they were chase movies, horror movies, Sci Fi movies, action movies but they never sacrificed plot development for the sake of effects. It was never spectacle for spectacle’s sake, and this is what T:DF failed to grasp – it’s not just all about the whizz bang gloss and polish. No. It’s about story, heart, performance and care.
Many of the problems with T:DF could easily be attributed to the studios rushing the movie into production – remember, James Cameron was touching up the script the night before the next day’s shoot, the production began without a script and (in some cases) the cast didn’t get a script until the day of shooting and the script was then whisked away. This would clearly have a huge impact on performances of the cast and crew.
The same could certainly be applied to Junkie XL; how much of the finished movie did the composer have access to, and did it affect his input in the project?
Not to mention the sheer amount of writers and story credits – I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… too many cooks spoil the broth. The amalgamation of too many conflicting ideas and personalities – the late edits, the polishing, the studios adding their two (ten)cents for ease of marketing the movie to a wider audience and avoiding censure… these are all fairly understandable scenarios to explain deficiencies in the movie – my point? If the urgency had been removed by the studios… these problems wouldn’t exist.
It would have been great for the “back to basics” approach to have been fully realised with a return to the dark beginnings, the depth, the emotion, the risk, reward, consequences and brutality but sadly this movie fails to recapture the tension or intellect of the first and second movies and lacks the imagination to start anew with fresh ideas, as it throws a sacrificial lamb of a franchise legend upon its pyre of its self delusion.
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So. They basically fucked up John Connor and stealing some scenes from previous installments… again. Next will be real reboot aka “back to basics”, because Genisys (hidden restart 1), Dark Fate (hidden restart 2) did not work.
Movie with TRev, T800 and Sarrah with less CGI effect would be great.
I like Alien 3. Fincher kill Newt, Reese and let Ripley rest with dignity surrounded by depression and death. And it was proper sequel. Here the original characters were just a bridge to new something…. I’m starting to like Fincher more and more. 😛 He is a genius. Id like to see a Terminator from him.
I just dont understand why Skydance has an obsession with remaking Connors existence.
Wow, I’m kinda bummed out now. I do appreciate your describing the movie without giving anything away. I was expecting a lot from James Cameron.
I also believe making a better T2 is impossible based on the fact that movie was made at a unique time in cinema history with technology blowing our minds!! we truly witnessed something that cannot be replicated.
Also I Did enjoy Salvation and I really liked Genesis.
Salvation is my third favorite, Gen is second to last but only due to casting. There’s only one Sarah Connor and that would be Hamilton. The TV version was ok but the GOT version, no thanks. But we all have different opinions on who sells female empowerment the best and I just think Hamilton does. What is odd however, the actress who played Sarah in the show went on to be a total bad ass, she just wasn’t in the show. Maybe it was due to it being on network tv and toning her down.
Heard Terminator Dark Fate takes a dump on the franchise’s central plot point of John Connor … Haha, who’s excited?!
I’m a long time fan of the Terminator & Alien movies… BOTH franchises (story) ENDED with the 2nd movie. All sequels beyond the 2nd movie are Expensive Poorly Written Cash-Grab Fan Films. Not worth my time.
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Terminator 2: Judgment Day
The movie now only consists of one scene:
T-800 comes, kill John, leave.
final credits
Running time: 30 seconds.
In the next movie, we see Sarah destroy Cyberdyne Systems. We now know: No computer factory, no Skynet, no T-800.
For John.
Haha. End
Thanks for the very detailed review! For me – personally –, T:DF joins my list of failed sequels: After T3, T4, T5, Independence Day 2, Predators, The Predator, Alien Covenant. I’m afraid that they will mess up Star Gate 2 as well.
BTW, FOX ordered ID4-2 a full rewrite RIGHT BEFORE SLATED GREENLIGHT resulted further f-c up
Okay so first of all, even their synopsis is wrong: the Rev9 was sent by Legion, not Skynet.
Everything is expected, everything has already been seen over and over again, snatched here and there from the other movies.
And what annoys me the most is having turned the T-800 into the comic relief of the film. It was already the case with T3 and got much worse with the 5th, where it was all the time “oh I’m a robot, I have awkward reactions and lines of a robot”, duh!
In retrospect, Terminator Salvation, which many fans didn’t like that much, had the merit of trying a different approach and story line.
And the opening scene, can we talk about it? With all the digital effects, there’s nothing real or tangible in the film: when we compare the opening scene of T2 and that from T:DF, at less in T2, the Terminators were real, good old-fashioned animatronics that really gave the impression of weighing their weight.
No, here you have old CGI puppets coming out of the water with rubbish animations from a bad video game engine.
Still the use of de-aging CGI for Linda, Arnie and Edward was pretty convincing and somewhat felt like T2, until, well, you know… THE DEATH OF THE MAIN PLOT CHARACTER!!
But it makes no sense they didn’t use the opposite CGI for future Dani who is as young and fresh after what, 20 years? No, sorry, my bad, she has dirty face and braided hair.
It’s funny, because when I came out of the movie, it gave me the same feeling I had after watching Terminator Genysis: I thought “well, it wasn’t SO bad”, ‘coz I wanted to like it, I wanted to believe it was still possible to have a good Terminator movie and actually, no, I don’t think it’s possible anymore. Not with today’s excessive use of visual effects, anyway.
Should we expect a Terminator 7? Maybe if it’s yet another retcon…
Thanks for pointing out the synopsis – we unintentionally published one of the (many) earlier versions; it’s corrected and now the finalised synopsis is in the review.
Frankly… We all kinda knew it’s gonna be like this… It’s just the recipe nowadays. And it sucks.
Super harsh review. SOME SPOILERS IN THERE, I saw it today and thought the trailers looked good although it seemed to hit a lot of the same action beats seen in T1 and T2.
I’m a Cameron worshipper, T1 and T2 (T2 best by far) but I also remember quite liking T3 (although I need to rewatch it now), really liking Salvation, I have to check to see it they hold up the same today but Genysis is really the only stinker to me so far. And of course, no one ever managed to come close to T1 and T2.
The film is imo solid, it’s a worthy sequel, Miller did a good job although he’s no Cameron, the action is quite good, the VFX work is excellent overall (although the plane scene does display some of those dreaded by so many floaty CG physics, it’s not bad though), Davis is always fantastic in whatever she is, and she is quite awesome here, Linda and Arnold are excellent but Reyes is (not being mean) so poor, she tries so very hard and the only reason it doesn’t hurt the film too much is because everyone else carries her.
It’s worrisome to me considering the intentions for the character, I can’t imagine why Cameron gave the okay on her (although as he made it clear, this IS Miller’s film through and through), it just baffles me. If Linda and Mackenzie don’t come back, and there’s a sequel, this is going to be an impossible sell imo.
Luna is fine, no Robert Patrick but the REV 9 is quite formidable. The opening scene clearly goes for brutal and ballsy, and it is kinda, whatever VFX work they did is frankly astonishing.
SPOILER BELOW
It just bummed me out that they would dispatch John that quickly. And considering Cameron’s reaction to Alien 3, I’m so surprised he gave this the okay. Obviously, it’s at the center of who Sarah is in Dark Fate but I can’t imagine they didn’t have a story idea that involved an adult John in some capacity instead of slapping us in the face. Was Furlong not in good enough of a shape? Did they not care about him enough? Who knows.
SPOILER OVER
Many critics have compared it to TFA, which makes sense although TFA is not even playing the same category. The thing is, DF often feels too familiar, there are some very cool, new (although I haven’t seen TSCC) character and narrative ideas, several beats are just straight up lifted from T1, T2 and T3. The ending, while touching in its intentions “For John”, is just a much inferior version of the same beat in T2 (and very similar to T3), the final action scene itself is very well made, but there’s none of the gravitas or emotional weight that T2 had. Miller asks us to feel something there that isn’t earned, probably relying on our attachment to the characters and the mythos.
I’m also a bit confused by the timeline aspect regarding the end, but that’s spoilery. If there is a sequel, the potential is interesting, the future flashbacks were quite, quite cool, I just wish it wasn’t hinging so much on Reyes.
I wanted to see John.
Instead, the childhood dream is killed and replaced by a Mexican nightmare.
It’s not my problem if they can not make John worthy? Then they should just let it, if they can not memorize a cast for young John! No one of the fans begs for what has now been presented in the opening.
What you what? One should not let such things close to him. – I hate betrayal! A JAMES CAMERON said a few months ago: JOHNS role is being developed!
I think the rest of the producers might have messed with James. It has never been that he turned off one of his Charas. for a politically correct feminist Gaga shit!
Yikes.
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Only James Cameron can do right terminator movie. Others just don’t get it. James doing movie wants to tell us something deep(think about Abyss or Avatar). Others make only action. More action, bigger action and so on. But James doing movie I feel like he wants to avoid action. Therefore T1 and T2 are so good. Main characters trying to escape hiddenly as possible and terminator same way wants to terminate target without purposefully to destroy everything loudly. Always its not possible and this is life. And we see it in T1 and T2. Everything is rightly done.
Why does it feel like T1 and T2 are wiped out? All the suffering of the Charas in what if John is killed? Is it my problem if they can not find an actor for John? Then they should let it and not make a movie.
And Miller has delivered action. And only action. Who wants action must wait for Avatar.
Was a solid Action Movie. It was consequential in it’s approach of delivering non-stop Action. The Story is, well, barely there, but that didn’t seem to be the focus of the movie.
What a stupid plot, Skynet killing John Connor actually destroys itself did i read that right? Where did this T-800 come from and why a T-800 and not a T-1000 (Oh that’s right it has to be the iconic Arnie T-800 and not Robert Patrick it’s all about the $$$$$$$$). Why would killing JC reset the T-800’s surely it would activate a secondary mission to ensure Skynet technology develops? And somehow loads of terminators keep getting sent back for Sarah to kill and then all of a sudden we get a rev-9 out of knowhere? Absolute GARBAGE PLOT
I won’t be watching this film it is worse that the pile of poo that preceeded it – at least T3 ROTM showed the bombs drop the only memorable thing from 4 dire films since T2.
Spot on review, I keep reading people saying it’s great, best movie since T2! After watching I was completely underwhelmed by it all, it tried to be funny but wasn’t, the CGI made it look like an animated movie at times. Most disappointing was the T-800, Annie did the best he could with the script but his character just didn’t fit with the rest of the movie and you almost couldn’t imagine the T-800 and Sarah being in the same movie. Saying that Linda was great in it but I felt the men were completely marginalised or the villain. Thought Genisys had a lot more heart
I totally agree with the review. We were all hoping that James C. would have made the difference but we forgot that he is not involved in this movie. He is just a marketing trick to try to revive a ruined franchise.
The beginning of the movie clearly is a shock, it basically simplifies and erases the entire franchise. You can like it or not but it clearly does deliver the emotion…sadly it al stops there. The plot makes no sense. Multiple Terminators were sent (when?). The t-800 accomplishes his mission by killing John and then grows a consence and starts a family?? Sorry I can not imagine the T-800 from the first movie changing diapers if he somehow managed to kill Sarah and Kyle.
And then, the worst part there were multiple terminators correctly anticipated by Carl that Sarah dealt with? Excuse me, Sarah dealt with? Alone? How? The T-800 made a complete havoc in 1984 and T-1000 was only luckily and barely stoped only by a (almost destroyed) t-800 and Sarah dealt with them? Woow that does makes a lot of sense.
I do not understand how that stupid plod got true and with James C on board??
It doesn’t have to go “feminism propaganda sh*t” every time. I read some “harsh” reviews which don’t feel this film being SJW. Had Dani Ramos been a white male it wouldn’t work much either. It all comes down whether JC should be replaced in the first place.
And, you Terminatorfans guys’ review is FAR kinder than I have expected! 😛
If was good and worth watching. This guy’s expectations are way too high. T2 is the best movie of all time. It was a cool sequel.
You know what I love about this stupid worthless piece of crap movie.l? It makes T3 and Salvation classics and Sarah Connor chronicles pure gold. Those blu rays shine on my shelf now like the ark of the covenant. Thanks Tim Miller