On July 17th Tim Miller spoke to EW again about a new alternate future, Terminators and characters. We already delved into a theory based on this information that Kyle Reese may be the villain and leader of the resistance in the future where resistance soldiers are being augmented (Mackenzie Davis’ Grace is an ‘Augment’).
Tim Miller to EW:
“There’s this new future because of what Sarah did at the end of Terminator 2, and it’s worse than ever, and that gives us the opportunity for these new characters. Gabriel comes from something that is not Skynet, but it’s like Skynet. And Mackenzie comes from something that Kyle Reese and the Resistance did. I tried to keep Gabriel a bit grounded while still interesting; I feel his new weapons and abilities are right for our times but not so ridiculous that it just turns into a visual effects superfest. And the same with Mackenzie’s character — I really liked her origin story. We did an early writer’s room and Joe Abercrombie came up with her as this super soldier from the future, but it comes at a cost to be one of these people. They’re the first people to die, they’re the shock troops who protect the rest of humanity, and her readiness to sacrifice is a really interesting way to come at a character.”
The emphasis of Tim Miller’s new words of course sounded a lot like ‘LEGION’ from the leaks.
Youtuber Mr. H now has leaked audio of Dani Ramos ( Natalia Reyes) talking to, what sounds like, a male resistance fighter (maybe Tom Hopper’s ‘Hadrell’?). Dani is ranting about LEGION which – from the leaks is an anti-terrorist program created in the new timeline from the after effects of blowing up Cyberdyne in Terminator 2.
John Connor ‘seemingly’ being killed as a child is part of these consequences for Sarah Connor.
Listen to the leaked audio in the video below:
Transcribed by TheTerminatorFans.com:
“HK’s. Shoot me and you’ll all be dead in seconds. THIS is what Legion wants us to do – kill each other. We should be fighting the machines, not each other.”
Dani Ramos
“What do you want? We can’t win”
Male voice
“I need you to fight, I need you to be strong. All of you.”
Dani Ramos
“Look around you lady! This is Legion’s world!”
Male voice
“Legion didn’t exist until humans created it!”
Dani Ramos
Sources: EW (Tim Miller interview) – Mr H (Leaked LEGION Audio)
Update: Confirmation of Arnold’s T-800 being called ‘Carl’…
More footage from #TerminatorDarkFate panel: Arnold's T-800 seems to be living in a remote cabin or something, says he goes by the name "Carl." Linda replies, "I'm never going to call you Carl." #SDCC pic.twitter.com/Bdrkwxj8ka
— SYFY WIRE @ SDCC (@SYFYWIRE) July 18, 2019
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I hate it when somebody as in the person who decided to leak the whole movie they did the same with the other ones as well I’m sick of it. Aren’t you? This person should be found out about if you ask me. Because this person is spoiling this movie for everyone or did but I’m really hoping that the REV-9 is the one who killed John it makes sense because Tim said that legion sent a terminator back only ONE and that was the REV-9 not the T800 and besides the T800 was created by Skynet not legion so big difference. I think that Sarah or Dani sent the t800 or possibly Kyle Reese
We have said before that the leaks all felt orchestrated by the studios to test waters about the changes they have made to the Terminator lore… then they went and did big reshoots on the feedback which kind of backs up the plant and seeding theories we ran a while back. Reddit/forums are a great way to seed and leak and Terminator Dark Fate is fully embracing Reddit. Do we really think someone would risk their entire Hollywood career to leak audio about LEGION to Terminator fans? Most transparent marketing ever.
Are you saying there’s a chance kid John will not be killed after all? That they saw the backlash about that scene?
If LEGION is true then that would point to the other stuff being true but taking reshoots into account we wouldn’t want to bet on anything regarding John Connor.
So there’s hope for John Connor after all?
The only thing that we about John’s supposed death is Sarah THOUGHT that he died.We don’t know that he ACTUALLY did
you make it sound consipratorial. they are marketing a film, and part of that marketing includes guarding the film’s secrets. Simple as that.
there have been lots of leaked movies that have had nothing or very menial things changed. often it is not just marketing. but a disgruntled, fameseeking or rivalry paid off employees. or alternatively the company does believe leaking beforehand just creates attention, which is supposedly always good
the thing about leaks is it makes me want to not see the movie first day. instead i wait until wikipedia is updated. if the leaked plot holds true thats a bad thing. yet even if it doesnt i still know the basic plot based on wiki so its like confirmed loss
Pour ce qui est de la fuite LEGION j’en ai bien peur si celà s’averé être vrai john connor serait mort ??? non je ne le croit pas EDWARD FURLONG est de RETOUR !!!! Dieu merci !!!! <3
I’m confused by this timeline.
In the light of the reshoots, Edward Furlong got listet as Connor on IMDB!!!
Sadly he doesn’t look like a hero theese days.
He’s likely doing the voice for his young double and cgi facial capture. He still sounds like a teenage these days lol
Carl!? What a stupid name for a Terminator!!
Love how people can’t accept the name Carl, as if its the worst name ever, it doesn’t sound far off Kyle for instance. Its a fairly average name for a ‘person’. I suppose if they called him William people would shit a brick ;).
…..Bob being short for William 😉